John McCain Talks Gay Marriage!

May 23, 2008

Love muffins get into this! Check out this short clip from Ellen’s interview yesterday with Republican Presidential hopeful, John McCain as they discuss gay marriage in America. Do you support Senator McCain’s belief that gay marriage should just be a “legal agreement” such as a contract? Please let me know! Thoughts?

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46 Responses to “John McCain Talks Gay Marriage!”

jacob on May 23, 2008 at 6:20 am #

John McCain is full of $hit! Gays and Straights should ALL be treated the same. Ellen made a great point by comparing gay marriage to blacks and womens being able to vote. I can’t believe him!!!
thejuanstar on May 23, 2008 at 6:30 am #

I understand Ellen’s point, I have a different view. I believe that marriage is a religious institution and think that all unions between couples should be civil. Marriages should be something that should be dealt with the religions. Civil unions for husband/wife, wife/wife, and husband/husband in terms of government and societal recognition would put us all on the same par.
Soufian on May 23, 2008 at 6:35 am #

I loved how she explained it and i totally agree with her.
starbucks on May 23, 2008 at 7:04 am #

i agre 100% with thejuanstar that is exactly what i came to say. When a man anwoman go to city hall like the felicity actress did, it was a civil union. we call it marriage but it really is a civil union. I have an issue when gov’t people bring up marriage as a holy ujion in the eyes of God. There is supposed to be a seperation of church and state. God can not be justification for law.
Jasmine on May 23, 2008 at 7:15 am #

I hate to admit this, but I agree with John McCain for various reasons. The only thing that I didn’t like is how Ellen tried to juxtapose the gay rights with the civil rights of African-Americans. I don’t care what anyone says, but that’s not a valid comparison.
Mikki on May 23, 2008 at 7:29 am #

she shouldn’t have compared gay marriage to blacks and women being able to vote…
jacob on May 23, 2008 at 7:52 am #

Ellen should’ve compared the two. It’s the same thing. Mikki and Jasmine are you gay? Do you know how it feels to be judged because of your sexuality? if not, you can’t say she is wrong! You have NO IDEA! PLEASE!
Shawn on May 23, 2008 at 8:00 am #

Marriage is Marriage…And all the conservatives claim it is at the center of societies family structure. What pisses me off is that Nick and Mariah can date for 6 weeks and go get married over and over again have as many ceremonies as they wish after on ly knowing each other for 6 weeks…In which they will more than likely be divorced in 6 months…Yet a gay couple who has been living together and raising children for 10 years!!! Do not have the right to get married and have theri commitment to each other validated just like Nick and Mariah, or Britney and her 3 husbands, Or Michael Jackson and his 3 brides, or Liz Taylor and her 8 husbands, or Eddie and Tracy in their 2 week marriage! It’s NOT RIGHT!!! Gays and Lesbians love just like straight people love if not harder!
Tonya on May 23, 2008 at 8:03 am #

I agree with Ellen, we are all the same and there should be equal rights for all, if you are in love and want to get married then it should be legal.
jacob on May 23, 2008 at 8:03 am #

WHEW, thank you SHAWN! AMAZING POINTS! PREACH!!!
Shawn on May 23, 2008 at 8:06 am #

Oh and Let me add that probably 60-70% of people who get married do not go to church, have any concept of the bible, they most likely dont pray or say grace or follow the rules of the church to be considered “saved” anyhow. Yet the church and state will grant them marriage simply on the merit of their gender! AGAIN NOT RIGHT! And another thing I was married to a woman before I came out and the pastor that married us…He told us that we could take our vows a month before the wedding in his office without anyone knowing so that we can have SEX and not fornicate in the eyes of GOD!!! Talk about laughable!
Bekah on May 23, 2008 at 8:31 am #

I know I’m gonna get crap for this but - the discrimination that black people and women faced were not the same as that which gay people face…. because people are (generally) unable to hide that they are female or black - so it’s out there for everyone to see. There is no denying it or hiding it. Sexuality is something that is (generally) kept private and isn’t something that you can see with the naked eye. The point is - gay people are SEEMINGLY able to avoid (to an extent) discrimination. And that’s why I think some people get frustrated with the comparison being made. I’m not suggesting that “hiding” one’s sexuality should be encouraged as to avoid discrimination. Gay people have every right to be who they are as anyone else on the Kinsey spectrum. And marriage really has nothing to do with that.

BTW - I’m genuinely wondering why civil union vs. marriage makes such a big deal to gay people. At their core - they are the same. One just tends to hold a more religious context (marriage). And if you don’t believe that marraige has a religioius context… then doesn’t it just become a civil union anyway? Honestly - what’s the difference then?

Also, I’m not ignorant - so please do not be disrespectful if you respond to me. I’m trying to understand some things here.
Shawn on May 23, 2008 at 8:59 am #

Hi Bekah,

I am gay and I have to counter and say that no gay people can not hide as easily as you would think. Consider all the young men that get teased from a very young age or accused of being a “FAG” before they even have any idea of what sex is. I know for certain that gay men or women with manerisms that lean toward the opposite sex is: an efeminate boy or a masculine girl…ARE TEASED and made fun of from an early age. They are judge discriminated against and experience extreme hate, some for example or killed like the young man a few months ago that was murdered for expressing a crush on another gradeschool boy…The same hate that was directed at blacks and women is the same hate that is directed toward gays and lesbians. Its a fierce deep rooted hate that can not be seperated. Therefore the discrimination that gays feel hurts and demeans just as much as the discrimination that blacks and women feel. It hurts is the bottom line. More gay teens committ suicide than any other group…because of the discrimination they face, have faced or will face.
At the end of the day there is no difference love. Hate is Hate, and Hurt is Hurt…A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Darian on May 23, 2008 at 9:38 am #

It doesn’t matter who was oppressed first but what matters is no people should be oppressed. Martin Luther King Jr. once said “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”

It baffles me that African-Americans refuse to see the similarities of the two struggles. While they are not the same they are definitely similar. We’ve somehow achieved equality under the law(for the most part)and now feel it’s ok to oppress the gay and lesbian community. Sad.

Both groups were/are being treated like second class citizens and are being denied basic civil rights that are guaranteed to every American based on traits that are innate and cannot be changed. Contrary to what the ex-gay movement would like you to believe or your local minister you cannot “pray the gay away”.

Ellen clearly articulated the “separate but equal” that exists for gays in society. A legal contract?! If the idea of a legal contract was proposed to heterosexuals versus all of the rights and benefits that come along with marriage their would be an outcry.

Clearly the notion that there is liberty and justice for all in America is far from the truth. Everyday John McCain and other like minded individuals remind me that my long -term committed relationship is inferior to theirs and I should not have access to marriage only to a “legal agreement”. While I’m signing my legal agreement I guess I should also use the “black only” bathroom and thank him for the privilege of being beneath him.

Absolutely not!
ladyyC on May 23, 2008 at 9:42 am #

Ellen should’ve compared the two. It’s the same thing.

^^^ Gays were not denied inequality under the law, gays were not enslaved, gays were not lynched, gays were not denied the right to vote, Gays were not chained & whipped, gays were not segregated by law, gays were not denied the right to an education…..All because they were gay. With blacks it’s a different story.

The only injustice gays are facing(under Law) in their eyes is that they can’t get married. Married is suppposed to be sacred. & Once man & woman join together under the insitution of marriage they become one. Unfortunately marriage isn’t sacred as it’s supposed to be anymore but it’s still supposed to be between a man & a woman. That’s the way God intended it to be.
Jasmine on May 23, 2008 at 9:56 am #

To answer Jacob (and anyone else to wished to debate me)…No, I am not gay/a lesbian. I am an African-American woman, and I still hold true to my belief. You are entitled to your thoughts, and I respect that. However, the dehumanization of a race of people could NEVER be equal the gay rights.

Africans were taken at will from their family, customs, beliefs, life as they knew it to an unfamiliar territory, whether it be the islands, Norh America, South America, etc. From there, the mental, physical, emotional, and spiritual brutal degradation continued without a choice for decades. After it was found to be illegal, it was then institutionalized with Jim Crow laws, which later lead to the civil rights movement.

From the moment the first slave landed on new land up until now, African-Americans still deal with those issues and “standards” that were placed upon them. I’m not saying being gay or a lesbian is some walk in the park, for I understand life can be encumbersome because of your sexuality, but don’t equate the burdens of being a homosexual with the burdens of people who fought, cried, died, and labored (for free).

I’m sorry, but that is a belief I’m not willing to co-sign with.
Shawn on May 23, 2008 at 9:58 am #

Let me aske you a question LadyyC…How does me marrying my partner affect your life in any way shap or form? Does my marrying my partner make the love for your husband any less? How does gay marriage affect your life? Please answer that question. And when it is legal everywhere in the US and Gays and Lesbians marry their partners…What is going to change about your life??? You are still going to get up, eat breakfast, take you kids to school, go to work, come home, eat dinner, watch TV and go to bed, Pay your taxes and be happy…How is my marriage to my partner going to affect your life, because your marriage to your husband and the pastors marriage to his or her spouse does not affect my life at ALL!
Shawn on May 23, 2008 at 9:59 am #

And let me ask you one more question…Do you personally know ONE person that is gay and wants to get married???
Shawn on May 23, 2008 at 10:09 am #

Jasmine:
“Gays were not denied inequality under the law”
- Why did equal opputunity employee laws have to be passed?

“gays were not lynched”
-Look up Mathew Shepperd, Donathyn Rodgers, Scotty Joe Weaver, Anthony Hergesheimer, Lawrence King, Simmie Williams Jr, just a few of 170 people murdered over the past 10 years because of their sexual orientation, according to the National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs.

And this is not happening 50 years ago its happening in 2008!
Darian on May 23, 2008 at 10:32 am #

@ladyc

“Gays were not denied inequality under the law, gays were not enslaved, gays were not lynched, gays were not denied the right to vote, Gays were not chained & whipped, gays were not segregated by law, gays were not denied the right to an education”.

Did you ever to stop and think that there were black gays on slave ships, suffering in the 60’s from Jim Crow, lynched and denied the right to vote too? Newsflash: BLACK GAYS AND LESBIANS EXIST TOO AND WE HAVE FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME. Your comment implies that only white folks make up the gay community.

Google Bayard Rustin, Angela Davis, Langston Hughes, Alice Walker, James Baldwin, Audre Lord, Alvin Ailey. I could go on and on but I think you get the picture.
Shawn on May 23, 2008 at 10:41 am #

Sing Darian!!!
jacob on May 23, 2008 at 11:35 am #

ya’ll, some people will neva see the light. ladyc doesn’t know any better. She prolly lives in a small town with her 5 kids in a double wide trailer. ya’ll leave her alone. Maybe she should focus on bettering her education rather than gay marriage. LadyC what you doing For Memorial Day weekend? Going over to ur couzins an dem? hahahhahahahah
Kissa on May 23, 2008 at 11:54 am #

POINT:
Discrimination is discrimination.
Hate is hate.

No matter HOW you put it.
Sasha on May 23, 2008 at 11:55 am #

Wow, I think it’s getting a little heated in here, especially with the comments from Shawn and Darian (LOL). Personally, I have no comment about the views on marriage proposed by John McCain and Ellen…to each is their own; long as it isn’t affecting me or my community, I’m cool with whatever.

Like the other people, I may receive some slack (well, I know I will), but I too have to agree that Ellen’s point wasn’t validated with comparing civil rights to gay rights. That’s like saying slavery was just like the holocaust. It just doesn’t make any sense to go there, but obviously these comments prove otherwise. The civil rights movent wasn’t a gay/lesbian rights movement. True, gays/lesbians were included in the population, but the reason for the movement wasn’t to uplift the gay/lesbian community soley, for the Black community had “bigger fish to fry” at that time, and that was getting our foot through a steel locked door…worrying about someone’s sexuality wasn’t priority when you had many Blacks being killed just for that…being Black.

I’m not saying the gay/lesbian community shouldn’t have equal rights…we are all interdependent on each other to help shape our society ( although society can be messed up at times ), so please don’t take it as me bashing or not trying to empathize with the gay/lesbian community. All I’m saying is, the brutality, homicide, and inequality of one community isn’t equal to the other community.
LB on May 23, 2008 at 12:30 pm #

WELL FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE HATING ON OBAMA SAYING THAT THEY WILL VOTE FOR MC CAIN IF HILLARY DOESN’T WIN. WELL TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR FUTURE, LMAO. THAT’S JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
mrsFAB on May 23, 2008 at 12:42 pm #

Wow, what a powerful discussion! I for one, say as far as gay marraige….to each his own. I am Christian. As a Christian, I try not to judge others. There is too much hate in this world for mrsFAB to be worrying about somebody else getting or not getting married. As far as the Ellen comparison, I am not sure what to think.
rob on May 23, 2008 at 1:57 pm #

Mikki

Why not compare gay marriage to civil rights and women rights. Gay didnt choose to be gay just like I dint choose to be black. As minorities we should be standing with all gays fighting for gay rights whether we agree or dont agree. We are all equal.
Raya on May 23, 2008 at 4:25 pm #

“The test of courage comes when we are in the minority. The test of tolerance comes when we are in the majority.” - Ralph W. Sockman -
ladyy on May 23, 2008 at 4:57 pm #

@ shawn, whatever you or anyone else does in their life; you or they alone will be held accountable & have to answer to God. ANd because of my faith in God I abide by God’s rules & so my beliefs on marriage & anything else Line up with what God’s word says. Does gays getting married affect me? Of course not, it affects them & if that’s what they want to do who am I to try & obstruct that? That would be going against free will! & God gave all of us free will, especially because the God I serve is not a tyrant & is not gonna force anyone to want to serve him or be obedient to his word; but just know that we will be judged based on how we conduct ourselves on earth & our actions come with consequences according to God’s word & God’s promises.

Another thing, Just because I believe what I believe doesn’t mean I hate guys or discriminate against gays. That would be hypocritical of me because walking in faith means walking in love. & God’s word calls everyone to love your neighbor as you love yourself, to do nothing out of selfish ambition, to esteem others higher than you esteem yourself, to love those who don’t love you, to be have brotherly kindness, to have humility & respect for others. That is what God’s word says & the second greatest commandment in the Bible is to love your neighbor as you love yourself.

So while I don’t condone the gay lifestyle just like I wouldn’t condone any other sin like robbing, stealing, lying, that doesn’t mean I treat them differently or act out towards them out of hate. Hate is a sin too.
lanette on May 23, 2008 at 6:22 pm #

i like ellen always have but i have to say she should not compare being Gay to being Black.

when a gay person is treated like Blacks then we can talk. when a gay man is shot by cops 50x then we can talk…

i hate when people make that comparison..it is soo tired.
i think about things Blacks go through everyday, i think about the stories my grandmother tells me…no don’t compare being Gay to Blacks. not cool.
lanette on May 23, 2008 at 6:28 pm #

another thing…

will gas prices go down because of GAys? will they end the war? will they fix the economy. will they change the so called justice system?

will they end global warming? how does this effect everybody?

any why must Gays compare themselves to Blacks, why do this?
my brother was picked up off the street when he was a kid going to buy a newspaper for my mother…
have cops targeted GAYS?
i find the comparison offensive on so many levels…pick another race…please.
S.YA. on May 23, 2008 at 7:38 pm #

Rumour has it Ellen only agreed for McCain’s guest appearance if and only if she got to wedge the gay marriage card at him. She knew that him being the GOP Republican Nominee that there was no way in hell he’d support any idea about gay marriage, which was obvious by how he quickly switched from gay marriage to contracting insurance policies LOL! And please look at his face while the audience applauds Ellen’s “Will you walk me down the aisle comment?”. It looks like he was about to break into fists or tears, or both! The California Supreme Court ruling could not come in at a much more handier time…the Republicans are going to have a hard time whiggling out of this one, and you never know, those who registered as Democrats to join the Obama/Clinton history-in-the-making might also have a strong view on this…This November will be bloody and interesting
James on May 23, 2008 at 9:09 pm #

The hardships that homosexuals and blacks have experienced in the past are the SAME.

Believe it or not, whether it is in THIS country (U.S.A.) or not, homosexuals have suffered the same persecutions as the blacks. If you don’t believe me, you can research countries such as IRAN. HOMOSEXUALITY DOESN’T ONLY EXIST IN THE USA.

IF YOU WANT TO JUXTAPOSE THE NUMBERS OF PERSECUTIONS AND HARDHIPS THE TWO GROUPS HAVE FACED TO FURTHER YOUR ARGUMENT ON HOW GAYS HAVE FACED LESS HARDSHIPS THAN THE BLACKS…I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO SAY…THAT’S JUST RIDICULOUS.

Everyone deserves the same rights within this country. I never understand how someone who has faced hardships in the past could be so negative and prejudice towards another group. It simply doesn’t make sense.
James on May 23, 2008 at 9:14 pm #

Just to further my point:

“Sodomy is a crime for which both partners can be punished by death. If the participants are adults, of sound mind and consenting; the method of execution is for the Shari’a judge to decide. A non-adult who engages in consensual sodomy is subject to a punishment of 74 lashes.”

THIS OCCURS IN IRAN…TODAY.
John on May 24, 2008 at 2:58 am #

The one thing that I like about Senator Mccain is how he takes a stand for something and doesn’t change his views even when up against a majority of people that disagree with him. He doesn’t flip flop and that’s a good quality to have because you know where someone truly stands instead of giving you mixed signals…and I’m personally Gay and don’t believe in Gay marriages either…to me it just doesn’t make any sense…if gay people can get married then I believe everyone should have the right to get married then…and that’s just not right…I’m looking at this situation objectively.
soulfree on May 24, 2008 at 5:02 am #

I really hate to see this needed discussion go down like this. This is a topic that I think should really be discussed with both viewpoints open to each others opinion.

Personally, I feel that the struggle for equal rights is no different between that of blacks and that of the same gender loving community. Nothing in Ellen’s statement discussed anything to do with slavery. Her comment was about the right to vote. Why is it that black people keep going back to slavery? Please, lets keep this in context.

Unless you have taken the time to investigate and learn more about the topic of discrimination against a paticular group… you can’t say what has and hasn’t happened to them.

I personally am gay and I am also black. I pray that everyone will take the time to “play nice” with this topic. Stop being so quick to defend your point of view when you don’t how wrong you are. My suggestion: Everyone who feels that blacks and gays haven’t had a similar stuggle for equal rights (again no one is talking about slavery!) then you should take some time to read about some of the struggles that gays have had to deal with and continue to deal with daily. For everyone who feels the struggle has been the same… then take the time to do some research… be open minded and see that the struggles haven’t been completely identical.

I hope that one day we can all say loving I support you… and I respect you enough to want the best for you and I care enough about your well being to see you completely happy!

Big respect to all of you LoveMuffins!
lanette on May 24, 2008 at 4:46 pm #

tell me something, why do gays always point to Blacks and compare themselves??
why i will never ever understand this…

it is wrong to compare because it is not the same and i don’t give a damn how many of you argue that it is..it is not the same thing…

pick some other group. i feel this is just yet another way to disrespect and in a way disregard Blacks. it is degrading to me..
soulfree on May 25, 2008 at 1:05 am #

Point to blacks? No honey, there is no pointing to blacks as a people. Pointing towards the civil rights struggle as a whole… yes. It’s really no arguing to it… the facts are everywhere take some time to educate yourself. It’s kinda funny that people keep jumping off on this nobody compares to black folk sob.

As for feeling that a comparison to gay people makes you feel degraded, well honey that’s a personal problem. If you feel degraded then you must also feel that someone who is gay is not equal to you and that explains why the comparison makes you feel less than or degraded. I think you should take a true inventory of your own prejudice. Maybe you are one of the many people who are making the road to equal rights more difficult?

Personally I know that as a black gay male… I understand enough about the differences and the similarities of each struggle to know that this comparison doesn’t hurt anyone. Why don’t you have this discussion with Rev. Al Sharpton, a man who has been a part of the behind the scenes fight in both struggles, and ask him just how similar are the two.
lanette on May 25, 2008 at 5:31 am #

to Soulfree,,
Honey,,,i have EDUCATED myself as you put it and i still feel it is degrading to point to Blacks and compare the Gay struggle to a whole race of people. That is wrong.

When i think about the stories my grandmother tells me,the things that have happened to members of my family,,it was all because of the color of their skin NOT who they were sleeping with. you can look at us and see that we are Black, you cannot always even tell if a gay person is Gay!

As for the comparison HONEY yes i feel it is degrading, Blacks have been compared to animals and gorillas to….when will we be looked at as people? i still feel that Ellen who i really like should not compare this marriage issue to Blacks—she did say Blacks. Why p0int to Blacks on this issue?? As for Al Sharpton i adore him but on this we part ways…honey.

as for me makin the road to equal rights more difficult …let me say this,,i could not care less about Gay people. There are people dying in an unjust war, where i live gas is $4.00 a gallon, people are loosing there homes, their nest egss, people have no healthcare coverage, these things effect us all,,,you want to marry your partner? go ahead,,i don’t give a damn. never have, never will….all i am saying don’t point to Blacks and compare yourself..it is not the same thing and you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Educate your damn self….the comparison does hurt.

as for me makin it difficult for Gay people, sweetie i don’t have the power to make it difficult for you,.cause trust me if i had the power ….oh if i had the power!!
soulfree on May 25, 2008 at 6:24 am #

Lannette, if you listen closely to Ellen her statement was in regards to the right to vote! No one said anything about a whole race! Dang people just hear what they want to hear… huh? I’m sorry that you allow these comments to cause you hurt, but I thought you didn’t give a damn?. However, that is still personal and something you need to address within yourself.

As for caring less my sister that is the problem that has existed all along. Why do you think it was so difficult for black people to get equal rights….because too many people could care less! Dont know what world you live in, but black people are seen and treated as a people. What happened was wrong, but those days are past. Still got a long way to go, but God knows as a people the treatment of black folks has come a long way.

I speak concerning the struggle for black people and gay people (who many happen to also be black), because daily I work advocating the black voice in my community. I’ve visited homes, prisons and been a witness for blacks who are being unfairly prosecuted or just being treated unfairly in any way. On that same note… I’ve also had to comfort the parents of gay teens who have been murdered just for being gay. I’ve had to visit hospital rooms where young gay men lay beaten and in one case unconsious, because he was gay. Don’t tell me when it comes to the issue of equal rights, equal protections under the law, and mistreatment on a just because basis that there aren’t any similarities.

The issues you brought up effect us all honey. Ever cross your mind that some of the very people dying in this unjust war are gay? Or perhaps that gay people are also paying $4.00 for gas? Gay people are loosing homes too, and yes many gay people haven’t been able to obtain health insurance. Pointing to these issues really is lame and is obviously seen as an excuse for not taking the time to really learn about the topic at hand.

The saddest part about everything that you wrote is that you don’t realize that you do have POWER! Your words and your actions are powerful and when you use them as you have you hurt yourself and others. Just imagine what kind of powerful effect you could have on others if you did acknowlede the struggle that gays are facing and willingly said you hope it would get better soon? You my dear have the power… you just need to learn how to use it!
emme on May 25, 2008 at 6:35 am #

Shawn i agree with you 100%. As a BLACK, FEMALE, LESBIAN i face discrimination on all fronts. And let me tell you all something, hatred, is equal opportunity. Discrimination doesn’t discriminate. if you breathe, you can be discriminated against. I feel that it is ridiculous not to compare women’s suffrage and civil rights to gay civil rights. The reason the LGBT community makes such a “big deal” over marriage is because it is important. As long as we have civil unions we are second class citizens, in my opinion. There is no reason to deny us marriage. We pay taxes, we abide the laws, we do everything else all people do. This reminds me of the American Civil War when black people had to fight for the Confederacy. It makes no sense! Or, a better example, in the American Revolution, fighting for freedom, and not being free! Also, technically speaking, church and state are separated so all this talk of religion shouldn’t even enter the discussion. The government is not responsible for what our churches do, and should not care that much about the opinion. It’s like explaining to a child why they can have a sugar cookie, but not a chocolate chip cookie. Just try doing that with a child and you will see it is as useless trying to explain that as it is trying to explain why marriage discrimination should be allowed. ::steps off soapbox::
emme on May 25, 2008 at 6:58 am #

::stepping back on the soapbox:: What is wrong with you people!!!??? Gays come from every race, culture, creed, religion, ethnicity, continent..duh! there are asian LGBT, black LGBT, native american LGBT, middle eastern LGBT…come on! We have always been around. There was no point in time where the Earth just opened up and some gay people came pouring out!!! Why is it so hard for people to accept that? Just because you didn’t know we were there didn’t mean we didn’t exist. Natives didn’t know of white people and white people didn’t know of Aboriginals and Asians didn’t know of black people, and black people didn’t know of Indians…but we all existed, right?? Right. I am apalled that people still don’t see the similarities between civil rights and gay people. ever heard of the Stonewall Riots? Transgender people were being attacked by the police for nooo reason. OPEN YOUR EYES! when a black person was lynched, there was another gay black being lynched too. WE ARE EVERYWHERE AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE! Alexander the great was gay! that was before the Roman empire! Leonardo da Vinci, gay! Langston Hughes, yep that’s right, look it up, gay! LGBT people are discriminated against, why else would anti-discrimination laws be made? And think about this (i am black ), black people were oppressed, legally for 350 years. LGBT people? since the dawn of time. think about that.
lanette on May 25, 2008 at 1:48 pm #

look when i talked about the price of gas, people dying in an unjust war, people loosing homes, and people not having health care i said People!! last i checked Gays were people! i just don’t care or give a damn who you people sleep with! is that a crime? no it is not.
you identify yourselves by who you sleep with and i don’t. that’s it in a nut shell. hell everybody knows there are gay people in the military hence the “don’t ask don’t tell”..again it is not like i said what i said and excluded Gay people.

you are more than who you sleep with,right??? get over yourselves already….

and as for me having power….i choose to treat everybody with respect that is all i can do…that is how i was raised.
lanette on May 25, 2008 at 1:59 pm #

to Emme..

yes Langston Hughes was gay so freakin what! He was born a Black child 1st. my goodness…this makes me sick..,
there are a lot of famous Gay people who just lived their lives…no need to keep saying your gay we get it ….now what?
that is still no reason to compare yourselves to Blacks,,it is wrong choose another group.

Blacks catch hell for their skin color; hell there are soo many “down low” brothers who even can tell they are gay? God i wish i could tell a Gay man on site….but you can damn sure spot a BLACK man…because of the color of his skin.
people can easily hide the fact that they are gay,,it is done all the time but you cannot hid being black…
tell me something if all of you could legally be married—then would the comparison stop? what would make you stop comparing yoursselves to Blacks?? and what do you say to people of color who have stories they can tell you about what they go through based on a skin color? do you know any Gays who have been stopped while driving because they are Gay?? no i don’t think so….

i don’t hate Gays but i think i am sick and tired of this type of bullshit. it’s wack and it is crazy..it is disrespectful.
soulfree on May 25, 2008 at 4:34 pm #

I’ve enjoyed the discussion. It definitely got the blood pumping, but we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I appreciate the sincere expression of your opinion. Keep shouting high and loud, that way people can know who you are and what you stand for. If more people were like you and treated everyone with respect the world would be a better place.

BIG Respect to you!
lanette on May 25, 2008 at 6:21 pm #

Soulfree,,

i think you are pretty cool….damn…i want to dislike you (as if we met, ha ha ha)!!!!

damn you soulfree!!

anyway peace & love to you….